The Trees Were Right…They had to Go

hide the declineRealScience provides a look at the temperature shenanigans. 

For the Mann Hockey Stick to be promoted two things had to happen. The temperature record had to be cooled in the early part of the 20th century and those beastly trees with their “divergence problem” had to go.

Which is exactly what happened. Go read the whole thing.

And for the short version – read Steve Goddard here.

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2 thoughts on “The Trees Were Right…They had to Go

  1. John says:

    See Jay: this is exactly why this should go to court. I can see it in trial now. Steve is called as a witness and presents this work. Dr. Mann’s legal team then explains why they think Steve is wrong. The Judge is (understandably) confused so the Dr. Mann then presents the work of Muller who – approaching from a very skeptical viewpoint (funded by Koch if you please) arrived at essentially the same results ( http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/30/opinion/the-conversion-of-a-climate-change-skeptic.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all ),

    The Judge now says humm, OK is there any way to verify what the climate record says without using the climate record. And, of course, there is – use the satellite record. If you compare the trend for the time they have had satellites you get amazingly close results considering the two methods use completely different readings and methodology. ( http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/from:1978/to:2012/trend/offset:-.25/plot/rss/from:1975/to:2012/trend ).

    Should make good drama as well as set the science straight.

    Regards,
    John

    • jaycurrie says:

      It will be especially fun given Mann’s comments on Muller:

      “Michael E. Mann fair enough Dan. My view is that Muller’s efforts to promote himself by belittling the collective efforts of the entire atmospheric/climate research community over several decades, though, really does the scientific community a disservice. Its great that he’s reaffirmed what we already knew. But for him to pretend that we couldn’t trust this entire scientific field until Richard Muller put his personal stamp of approval on their conclusions is, in my view, a very dangerously misguided philosophical take on how science works. It seems, in the end–quite sadly–that this is all really about Richard Muller’s self-aggrandizement 😦 reference

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