
I got into a Twitter fight last night with a person – I think female but can’t tell for sure – who tweeted that she did not want to be in crowded indoor spaces with the unvaccinated and that they should stay outside like smokers.
I suspect we will hear a lot of this sort of thing over the next few months as COVID wanes and the vaccinated become a majority because it is not enough to be “protected”, the vaccinated seem to need to be isolated from the unvaccinated. Thus the call for vaccine passports and vaccinated only events.
The logic of this seems to rest on the idea that the “vaccine” is not 100% effective in preventing infection or transmission of COVID. What it does confer, apparently, is a reduction in the severity of the symptoms of COVID in the event that the vaccinated person is unlucky enough to catch the virus. You can see the problem, essentially a vaccinated person may be at the same risk for infection as an unvaccinated person and at the same risk of transmitting the bug as an unvaccinated person.
Now, frankly, I don’t think we have enough data one way or another on the vaccine’s efficacy in preventing infection or transmission – the early data seem pretty encouraging on the vaccine’s reducing the severity of the COVID symptoms and the mortality numbers are falling encouragingly. But separating the vaccinated from the unvaccinated is not at all obvious based on what we know so far.
My Twitter gal did not like that position at all and was eventually reduced to calling me “selfish” for not a) getting jabbed, b) for suggesting that there was no logic in separating people who could be infected and who could transmit the virus but who had the prospect of a better outcome if they did from people who could be infected and who could transmit the virus and only had a 99.9% chance of full recovery.
The COVID conversation usually comes down to people’s perception of the risk COVID presents. The vast majority of people who contract COVID feel badly for a few days and are done. Death from COVID is largely confined to people over 80 with one or more co-morbidities. At a clinical level doctors are becoming much, much better at treating the symptoms of COVID. This is not contested information. The daily statistics show much better outcomes for hospitalized patients. Even the “variants of concern” do not seem to have increased the lethality of COVID.
So a risk calculus with respect to the vaccine needs to begin with assessing an individual’s likelihood of a fatal outcome if he or she were to contract COVID. A 99.9 percent survival rate if you are under 80 and are not significantly compromised is a reassuring place to start. Does it make sense to take a new and untested vaccine to improve those odds? (And before we get into the weeds on testing, the vaccines all are being used based on an Emergency Use Approval which is not at all the same as the full testing which drugs typically undergo. That testing is ongoing and will be completed in late 2022 or early 2023.)
As I have consistently written about COVID, you have to manage your own situation which means being aware of and assessing what your life holds by way of risk. First off, do you live in an area with high rates of infection? Do you interact with strangers on a regular and continuous basis? What is your general health status? Do you get outdoor exercise? Individuals can assess these factors for themselves.
Against your personal risk profile when you are looking at “the jab” you would normally take the advice of the medical community which, in turn, would rely on the peer reviewed results of the drug testing the jab is undergoing. But those results are not yet available. Even the mid-term effects of mRNA based vaccines are more a matter of conjecture than evidence.
So the calculation is not so straightforward. As I happily say when asked, “Not yet, I’m in the control group.”
Which brings us back to “selfish”. I assess my personal risk of contracting – much less dying from – COVID as very close to zero which has meant I have been in no hurry to get jabbed. But my Twitter pal seems to think that is selfish. Somehow, my not being jabbed is going to…what? Make her jab less effective? Nope. Destroy herd immunity? No, at worse it may reduce herd immunity infinitesimally but there is very little evidence either way. Prevent her from feeling confident in enclosed crowded spaces? Maybe, but not at all my problem. Prevent the great re-opening? Possibly. The re-opening is a political decision and various politicians have come up with various metrics – case numbers, outbreaks, hospitalizations, first jab percentages, full jab percentages – to give the appearance of science to a purely political decision. Again, not my problem and not part of any rational, personal, risk calculation.
I suspect that the woman on Twitter was, in fact, driven by the very basic human tendency to want others to do what you are doing. When people are terrified, and COVID and the mass media have scared the Hell out of people, they want the security of the group. When the politicians, media and public health officers all say, “Everybody needs to get the jab,” it is much easier to go along with the crowd. Part of going along with the crowd is trying to herd dissenters into the ranks of the righteous. If they won’t be herded then, well, they’ll have to be ostracized.
The good news is that, as COVID fades, so will the zealous. As the threat recedes the urgency of the group think will diminish. As normal returns, attempts to separate the vaccinated sheep from the unvaccinated goats will lose their moral force.
My Twitter friend will have to find something else to be indignant about.
“No, at worse it may reduce herd immunity infinitesimally but there is very little evidence either way”.
That is one issue Jay, you could use the same argument to argue that you shouldn’t pay your taxes because it is only an infinitesimal part of the tax base.
But I think it points to a bigger “feeling” in our society right now. Our ability as a society to return to something like pre-COVID depends on enough people getting the vaccine so it dies out. Since herd immunity is fairly robust there is opportunity for people to not get a vaccine and yet benefit from everyone who has sacrificed by accepting the risk the vaccine carries.
I think that is where a lot of what you experienced comes from. From their point of view there is a group who are sacrificing for the common good and a group who are taking advantage of the benefits from that sacrifice while not sharing the risks.
I think you are right, John. There is a perception of a free-rider issue. And I did note in the exchange that I was not at all a “never vaxer”. Let’s finish the trials and, assuming there is any COVID left, I’ll likely take the jab.
At the same time, my position all along has been that you have to take responsibility for doing your own risk assessment in your own circumstances. I live on Vancouver Island which, today, had zero new cases. I live in Oak Bay which a week ago, had a zero testing positivity rate. I work from home, have next to no contact with strangers and have taken care to do everything I can to boost my immune system. I have a supply of ivermectin in the unlikely event I get the damned thing.
Will I benefit from a herd immunity which I agree is coming? Yup. I also benefit from the seasonality of upper respiratory viruses and a willingness to stay relatively isolated. But I don’t see anything particularly selfish in taking advantage of those benefits.
What annoys me at present is that BC’s otherwise smart public health response completely ignored the benefits of outdoor exercise, maintaining good D levels and generally working towards having a healthy immune system. While my Twitter pal wants me to take an experimental vaccine else be selfish, she is, in fact, free-riding on the many steps I have actually taken to ensure I don’t catch Covid and, if I do, to ensure that my immune response and general fitness sees off the little pest. (For all I know I may well have had COVID already in a mild, asymptomatic form.)
In any case, COVID is on its way out on Vancouver Island. Vax, Spring, good D levels and everyone and their dog walking up a storm. Another couple of weeks and we should be done. But I really hope our government and public health people get serious about encouraging people to build immunity. The fact is that COVID likely has a few tricks left. Better health, better food, more exercise will likely do more to beat “variants of concern” than vaccines at the margins.
“opportunity for people to not get a vaccine and yet benefit from everyone who has sacrificed by accepting the risk the vaccine carries. ”
Or, put a different way, the people who are naturally timid and fearful bought into all the MSM hype and got vaccinated, while the people who aren’t afraid of what is basically a flu strain with a 99.7% survival rate didn’t bother.
Ignoble bastards, every one of us in the control group. (Plus we have a stash of the forbidden ivermectin. A small one, but enough to take on any COVID which sneaks onto the Island and into 0 positivity Oak Bay.)
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“The control group”…I love it…:)
Is it really true that BC doctors *and* pharmacists were initially forbidden by their professional association from filling prescriptions for hydroxychloroquine? A newspaper columnist wrote that recently, and If so, that just cries out for an investigation (if not a lawsuit).